The Freak is a seedling about 6 yrs old. I beleive it is in 5 or 6 gardens. The Red Arrow , Charlemagne and the Long Leaf Eburneum i think from Ausralia all came from the UCF sales in 2004 or 5 or 2006 not sure ... That one died in a winter freeze...The Charlemagne is the slowest for me ..It...